breed bigotry

submitted by susanjillian on thu, 2006-03-02 11:46. terms: hybrid canines

Despite the fact that all breeds necessarily started as mixes (they're not wolves now, are they?) we still face some bigotry about our hybrid dogs!

People stuck in the outmoded thinking that only pure bred dogs are valid have said some very strange things to us about our choice of dogs. While Bonnie is a rescue, Fergus was a very deliberate choice we made carefully after two years of research.

The hybrid mix between Standard Poodle and Labrador Retriever results in very intelligent dogs with non allergic fur—and comical, complex personalities.

Baby BonnieBaby Bonnie

Perhaps a hundred years ago we would have looked for a dog with strong hunting skills, or excellent herding talents. But we don't live the same way as our ancestors did and those traits are less desirable. Fergus is part of the family and so personality becomes a more important feature. Times have changed and there has been a shift in focus for needs in family pets. Labradoodles and Goldendoodles (Fergus and Bonnie respectively) were actually meant to be service dogs and it shows in their behaviour. They recognize patterns and respond to any pattern that is broken. The best example I can give is the 10:00 growl rule. If I am doing any work at my desk at 10:00 at night, the pattern is broken in the minds of my dogs. They don't know it's 10:00. They do know it near the time that we are not working at our desks, however, and if I am at my desk, I will be growled at, barked at, and herded away from my desk. Why? because I am not supposed to be there. This trait is what makes them excellent service dogs. They believe the pattern is broken and I need to be reminded to get away from my desk! They have observed a pattern and I have exceeded the pattern, and it is their job to tell me so. There are other patterns they have observed, and they will not hesitate to remind us that we have broken them. They take it upon themselves to protect us from ourselves. Intelligent dogs do not like spontaneity. It breaks the pattern, and dogs meant for service assistance are brilliant at seeking out patterns.

Baby FergusBaby Fergus

This description from Dog Breed Info Center says better than I can:

This classic example of logical and planned cross breeding was created in Australia in the 1980's. The goal was and still is to create a new "breed" with the best attributes of the original breeds. Wally Conron's objective was to produce assistance dogs that do not shed hair (for people with allergies). Labradoodle guide dogs have been successfully trained and placed in Australia and Hawaii, but as yet the non-shedding characteristic of the Standard Poodle has not become a fixed a tribute. The Labradoodle started out as a simple cross between the Labrador Retriever and Standard Poodle or Miniature Poodle and is still widely the case in North America. Australian's, on the other hand have taken the Labradoodle a few steps further. In mid 2004 it was announced that the Australian Labradoodle was not just a Labrador x Poodle cross but was a breed in its own right developed over many years with particular goals in mind.

submitted by bob (not verified) on fri, 2006-03-03 10:29.

Breed bigotry - as a noun - noun interpretation is the obvious meaning of the headline and as such is a concept
Breed bigotry - as a verb - noun interpretation is the brain's first attempt to make meaning of these two words as a short sentence and as such is a commandment.
I'm pretty sure Susan didn't intend the latter meaning, but it certainly made me think. Of course, the picture of Bonnie was a big hint as to which interpretation was the correct one. 8^)

submitted by daniel on fri, 2006-03-03 10:53.

Well, I hadn't thought of it that way! As a commandment I can't help but be horrified by its intent. To clarify, noun-noun. :)

I'm afraid the fault is mine, not Susan's. I posted the article for her yesterday when she was in a hurry. I'll have to be more careful when trying to come up with catchy titles!

That is a very cute picture of Bonnie as a puppy, isn't it? It's funny, both of those baby pictures very accurately reflect their current personalities. I'm guessing that's established quite early on in their development. Fergus is Susan's and my first dog ever, so everything is new to us with respect to dog rearing. It sure is an adventure!

submitted by susanjillian on fri, 2006-03-03 12:51.

Oh no! That's both horrible and funny!

That would never be a commandment. One thing I will say is that the dog world is filled with some very strange people. Some are obsessed with breed purity.

Fergus consistently outperformed the pure bred dogs in his behavior classes, much to the horror of the owners of very expensive dogs. They expressed their feelings by not talking to us. Fergus won prize after prize as the top student and was also the happiest dog in the class, always wagging his tail and offering a paw.

The poor pure bred dogs were yelled at, and you could see the owners were frustrated because the "mix" was excelling at everything. How could this be?

To make matters worse, Fergus is somewhat of a show-off and would repeat the newly learned behavior just for fun. Often he was the youngest in the class by several months.

The owners were mad at us—and at their dogs. The trainers loved Fergus and would end up using him as the example of what we were going to learn until people started to complain about favouritism. He is very smart and loves to learn. He learns commands very fast and it made the class easy for the trainer. I can understand why they chose him. So we were on the wrong end of bigotry. So was Fergus.

What the owners failed to realize was that mixing a Standard Poodle with a Lab results in a very intelligent dog. Period. These dogs are keen observers and will pick up the slightest movement or indication from their human counterpart without delay. Recently he figured out that there is a push button in the back of our car that will open the window so that he can stick his head out when we are driving. We now have to keep the windows locked. We have to outsmart him!

submitted by robertkamper on fri, 2006-03-03 18:06.

This just in on Ask Yahoo!

If I recall correctly, Labs are often used as guide dogs for our blind brothers and sisters due to their intelligence, but Poodles are not used because they are TOO smart and will do things like walk around puddles or hop over them to the detriment of the human. So put together a breed that is very trainable and a breed that is very intelligent and you get a dog that enjoys learning.

Much like human babies, but most of them get that trained out of them by the time they are out of high school. . . as they say, you have to learn to be a bigot - it doesn't come naturally.